Monday, March 3, 2014

3.3.2014 GEORGE WHITEFIELD (CALVINIST) vs. JOHN WESLEY (ARMINIAN)

this is an appendix from george whitefield's journals - george whitefield's letter to john wesley in response
to the publishing of wes's sermon 'free grace'


PREFATORY NOTE

the occasion and background of this letter requires a few words of explanation.
from the time of his conversion, in 1735, Whitefield (W) had been profoundly conscious of man's entire depravity,
his need of the new birth
and the fact that God can save and God alone.
describing an experience which occurred a few weeks after his conversion, he wrote:
'about this time God was pleased to enlighten my soul
and bring me into the knowledge of His free grace...
strengthened by his reading of the scriptures, the Reformers and the Puritans,
W gradually grasped the great related chain of truths revealed in the new testament
-the Father's electing love, Christ's substitutionary death
on behalf of those whom the Father had given him
and the Spirit's infallible work in bringing to salvation those for whom it was appointed.
these doctrines of 'free-grace' were the essential theology of his ministry from the very first
and consequently the theology of the movement which began under his preaching in 1737.

when W returned to england at the end of 1738, after his first visit to america,
he found that the awakening in london had been furthered by
the conversion and subsequent ministry of the wesleys.
immediately they began to work together.
under W's preaching the revival spread to bristol and the west country
in february and march, 1739 and when he left that area at the beginning of april, 1739,
john wesley was given the oversight of the work.
but before three months had elapsed it began to be evident
that there had not been the same doctrinal development in the welseys
on all points mentioned above.
the fact is that while john wesley had at his conversion in may, 1738,
accepted evangelical views on sin, faith and the re birth,
he had at the same time retained his pre conversion opinions
on the doctrines of predestination and the extent of the atonement.
as the religious influences which had moulded wesley prior to his conversion were High Anglican,
it is not surprising that these opinions wee arminian and not orthodox.
his views on these points wee not part of his new evangelical experience
but arose as howell harris declared to him,
'from the prejudices of your education, your books, your companions
and the remains of your carnal reason'.

the first hint that this doctrinal difference might lead to serious results occurs in a letter of W's to wesley on june 25, 1739:
'i hear, honoured sir, you are about to print a sermon on predestination.
it shocks me to think of it; what will be the consequences but controversy?
if people ask me my opinion, what shall i do?
i have a critical part to act, god enable me to behave aright!
silence on both sides will be best.
it is noised abroad already, that there is a division between you and me.
oh, my heart within me is grieved!...

on july 2.1739, W wrote further to wesley on this subject, terminating his letter with another appeal:
'dear, honoured sir, if you have any regard for the peace of the church,
keep in your sermon on predestination.
but you have cast a lot.
(foot: it was wesley's practice at this period sometimes to
decide on questions of guidance by casting lots.)
oh! my heart, in the midst of my body, is like melted wax.
the Lord direct us all!....

on W's departure from england in august, 1739, wesley immediately published this sermon,
entitled Free Grace, is professed to be founded upon romans 8.32
and was printed as a 12 mo. pamphlet in 24 pages.
annexed to it was a hymn by charles wesley on Universal Redemption.
it was this sermon which occasioned W's reply here reprinted.
but it is interesting to note that although wesley's sermon was published in august, 1739,
W's reply is dated december 24, 1740 and was not published till early 1741.
the reasons for his delay are probably as follows:
1. by the correspondence which passed between W and wes in 1740 it is evident
that W longed to avoid an open breach
and still hoped that his friend might be brought to a clearer understanding of the truth.
such sentences as the following are typical of W's attitude:
'how would the cause of our common master suffer
by our raising disputes about particular doctrines!'...
'for Christ's sake, let us not be divided amongst ourselves'...
'avoid all disputation,
do not oblige me to preach against you; i had rather die...'

2. it is evident that while on his second visit to america
W developed stronger views on the issues which this controversy involved.
before he left england in august, 1739, he had been satisfied to counsel 'silence' on these doctrines
and they were not at that time conspicuous in his preaching.
as late as march, 1740, he wrote o wesley;
'provoke me o it as much as you please, i intend not to enter the lists of controversy with you
on the points wherein we differ...'
but before the year had ended W went back on this decision,
the reason apparently being that he had come to see the seriousness of these questions in a new light.
he could thus remain silent no longer.
on september 25, 1740, he wrote to wes:
'what a fond conceit is it to cry up Perfection and yet cry down the doctrine of final Perseverance.
but this, and many other absurdities, you will run into, because you will not own Election...
O that you would study the covenant of grace!...O that you would not be too rash and precipitant!
if you go on thus, honoured sir, how can i concur with you?
it is impossible. i must, speak what i know...'
on february 1.1741, he says further:
'i must preach the gospel of Christ
and that i cannot Now do, without speaking of election...'

the reasons for W's more decided attitude are no hard to find.
firstly he had, during 1740, made close friendships
with such american evangelicals as the tennents and jonathan edwards;
through them he was doubtless led into a deeper understanding of puritan theology
and its relevance to evangelism and revivals. 
he also witnessed the outstanding blessing on their preaching.
secondly, as the year 1740 advanced, the reports that he received from his friends
like cennick and howell harris made it increasingly obvious that harm and divisions
were being wrought by the wes's insistence on their arminian views.
wes's pamphlet 'set the nation disputing'.
as harris wrote to wes;
'you grieve God's people by your opposition to electing love;
and many poor souls believe your doctrine simply because you hold it.'
a situation had developed in which it was imperative that W should declare his mind
do something to arrest the drift from evangelical orthodoxy.

the outcome of W's return o england in march, 1741,
and the publication of his reply to wes was an inevitable separation.
henceforth the evangelical forces engaged in the revival movement were divided
and a new party of arminian evangelicals emerged for the first time in british church history.
due to the eminence of the wes.s this new form of evangelical faith
has exerted a widespread influence even down to the present day.
the contemporary strength of this influence can be judged from the manner in which W,
with his great predecessors the Reformers and puritans, have been forgotten;
indeed, it would not be too much to say that W's views, as expressed in the following letter,
would appear to many to be quite alien to the evangelicalism that is commonly believed in today.

some evangelical writers have sought to minimize the division between W and wes
by referring to their 'minor differrences'.
an impression is given that W abandoned the strong conviction he had about arminianism in 1741;
in proof of this we are referred to the fact that in 1742 their personal friendship
was in measure resumed
and that ultimately wes even preached W's funeral sermon.
but all this is misleading.
the truth is that W rightly made A DISTINCTION BETWEEN
A DIFFERENCE IN JUDGEMENT AND A DIFFERENCE IN AFFECTION.
it was in the former sense that he differed from the wes.s and that difference was such that...
it 'led them to build separate chapels,from separate societies,
and pursue, o the end of life, separate lines of action...
the gulf between wes and W was immense'.
but while their public co operation was thus seriously disturbed,
his personal affection for the wes.s as christians was preserved to the last.
in this respect W teaches us a needful lesson:
DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BELIEVERS SHOULD NEVER LEAD TO
PERSONAL ANTAGONISM.
error must be opposed even when held by fellow-members of Christ,
but if that opposition cannot co exist with a true love for all saints
and a longing for their spiritual prosperity
then it does not glorify God nor promote the edification of the Church.  IAN MURRAY


A LETTER TO THE REV. MR JOHN WESLEY

PREFACE

i am very well aware what different effects publishing this letter
against the dear Mr. Wesley's sermon will produce.
many of my friends, that are strenuous advocates for universal Redemption,
will immediately be offended.
many that are zealous on the other side, will be much rejoiced.
they that are lukewarm on both sides and are carried away with carnal reasoning,
will wish this matter had never been brought under debate.
the reasons i have given at the beginning of the letter,
i think are sufficient to satisfy all, of my conduct herein.
i desire therefore, that they who hold election would not triumph or MAKE A PARTY on one hand;
(for I DETEST ANY SUCH THING and that they who are prejudiced against that doctrine,
be not too much concerned or offended on the other.
known unto God are all his ways from the beginning of the world.
the great day will discover why the lord permits dear mr. wes and me
to be of a different way of thinking.
at present, i shall make no enquiry into that matter,
beyond the account which he has given of it himself in the following letter,
which i lately received from his own dear hands.

My dear Brother,                                                                         london august 9, 1740

i thank you for yours, may the 24th.
he case is quite plain.
there are bigots
(a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing opinion, belief or doctrine)
for both predestination and against it.
God is sending a message To those on either side.
but neither will receive it, unless from one who is of their own opinion.
therefore, for a time you are suffered to be of one opinion, and i of another.
but when his time is come, God will do what man cannot,
namely, make us both of one mind.
then persecution will flame out and it will be seen whether we count our lives dear unto ourselves,
so that we may finish our course with joy.
i am, my dearest brother,
ever yours, j. wesley

thus my honoured friend, i heartily pray God to hasten the time,
for his being clearly enlightened into all the doctrines of divine revelation,
that we may thus be closely united in principle and judgment as well as heart and affection.
and then if the Lord should call us to it,
i care not if i go with him to prison or to death.
for like paul and silas, i hope we shall sing praises to God
and count it our highest honour to suffer for Christ's sake \
and to lay down our lives for the brethren.

bethesda in georgia, december 2. 1740

reverend and very dear Brother,

God only knows, what unspeakable sorrow of heart i have felt on your account,
since i left england last.
whether it be my infirmity or not, i frankly confess,
that jonah could not go with more reluctance against nineveh,
than i now take pen in hand to write against you.
was nature to speak, i had rather die than do it;
and yet if i am faithful to God, and to my own and others' souls,
i must not stand neuter any longer.
i am very apprehensive, that our common adversaries will rejoice o see us differing among ourselves.
but what can i say?
the children of God are in danger of falling into error.
nay, numbers have been misled, whom God has been pleased to work upon by my ministry
and a greater number are still calling aloud upon me, to show also my opinion;
i must then shew, that i know no man after the flesh
and that i have no respect to persons,
any further than is consistent with my duty to my Lord and Master, Jesus Christ.

this letter, no doubt, will lose me many friends:
and for this cause, perhaps God has laid this difficult task upon me,
even to see whether i am willing to forsake all for Him or not.
from such considerations as these, i think it my duty to bear an humble testimony
and earnestly plead for the truths, which i am convinced, are clearly revealed in the word of God.
in the defence where of i must use great plainness of speech
and treat my dearest friends upon earth with the greatest simplicity, faithfulness and freedom,
leaving the consequences of all to God.

for some time before and especially since my last departure from england, both in public and private,
by preaching and printing, you have been propagating
the doctrine of UNIVERSAL REDEMPTION.
and when i remember, how paul reproved peter for his dissimulation,
i fear i have been sinfully silent too long.
o then be not angry with me, dear and honoured Sir,
if i now deliver my soul, by telling you, that i think in this you greatly err.

'Tis not my design to enter into a long debate on god's decrees.
i refer you to dr. edwards his VERITAS REDUX, which, i think, is unanswerable,
except in a certain point, concerning a middle Sort between elect and reprobate,
which he himself in effect afterwards condemns.

i shall only make a few remarks upon your sermon, entitled FREE GRACE.
and before i enter upon the discourse itself, give me leave to take a little notice of what,
in your preface, you term an indispensable obligation, to make it public to all the world.
i must own, that i always thought you were quite mistaken upon that head.
the case (you know) stands thus:
when you were at bristol, i think you received a letter from a private hand charging you
with not preaching the gospel, because you did not preach up election.
upon this you drew a lot: the answer was 'preach and print'.
i have often questioned, as i do now, whether in so doing, you did not tempt the Lord.
a due exercise of religious prudence, without a lot (cast), would have directed you in that matter.
besides, i never heard that you enquire of God,
whether or not election was a gospel doctrine?
but i fear, taking it for granted, it was not
you only enquired  whether you would be silent or preach and print against it.
however this be, the lot came out 'preach and print';
accordingly you preached and printed against election.
at my desire, you suppressed the publishing the sermon whilst i was in england;
but soon sent it into the world after my departure.
O that you had kept it in!
however, if that sermon was printed in answer to a lot, i am apt to think,
one reason, why God should so suffer you to be deceived, was,
that hereby a special obligation might be laid upon me,
faithfully to declare the scripture doctrine of election,
that thus the Lord might give me a fresh opportunity of seeing what was in my heart
and whether i would be true to His cause or not;
as you could not but grant, He did once before, by giving you such another lot at Deal.
the morning i sailed from Deal for Gibraltar, you arrived from georgia.
instead of giving me an opportunity to converse with you, though the ship was not far off the shore;
you drew a lot and immediately set forwards o london.
you left a letter behind you, in which were words to this effect:
'when i saw God, by the wind which was carrying you out, brought me in,
i asked counsel of God.
His answer you have enclosed'.
this was a piece of paper, in which were written these words. 'let him return to london.'

when i received this, i was somewhat surprised.
here was a good man telling me he had cast a lot and that God would have me return to london.
on the other hand, i knew my call was to georgia and that i had taken leave of london
and could not justly go from the soldiers, who were committed o my charge.
i betook myself with a friend to prayer.
that passage in the first book of kings, chap. 13. was powerfully impressed upon my soul,
where we are told, 'that the prophet was slain by a lion, 
that was tempted to go back, (contrary to God's express order) upon another prophet's telling him
God would have him do so'.
i wrote you word that i could not return to london.
we sailed immediately.
some months after, i received a letter from you at georgia, wherein you wrote words to this effect:
'though God never before gave me a wrong lot,
yet perhaps, He suffered me to have such a lot at that time, to try what was in your heart'.
i should never have published his private transaction to the world,
did not the glory of God call me to it.
it is plain you had a wrong lot given you here and justly,
because you tempted God in drawing one.
and thus i believe it is in the present case.
and if so, let not the children of God, who are mine and your intimate friends,
and also advocates for universal redemption,
think that doctrine true, because you preached it up
in compliance with a lot given out from God.

this, i think, may serve as an answer to that part of the preface, to your printed sermon,
wherein you say, 'nothing but the strongest conviction,
not only that what is here advanced is the truth as it is in Jesus,
but also that i am indispensably obliged to declare this truth to all the world'.
that you believe what you have written to be truth
and that you honestly aim at god's glory in writing,
i do not in the least doubt.
but then, honoured Sir, i cannot but think you have been much mistaken,
in imagining that your tempting God, by casting a lot in the manner you did,
could lay you under an indispensable obligation to any action,
much less to publish your sermon against the doctrine of predestination to life.

i must next observe, that as you have been unhappy in printing at all,
upon such an imaginary warrant,
so you have been as unhappy in the choice of your text.
Honoured sir, how could i enter into your heart, to chuse a text to disprove the doctrine of election,
out of the 8th of romans, where this doctrine is so plainly asserted,
that once talking with a quaker upon this subject,
he had no other way of avoiding the force of the apostle's assertion, than by saying,
'i believe paul was in the wrong.'
and another friend lately, who was once highly prejudiced against election, ingenuously confessed,
'that he used to think st. paul himself was mistaken or that he was not truly translated'.

indeed, honoured Sir, it is plain, beyond all contradiction,
that st. paul, through the whole eighth of romans,
is speaking of the privileges of those only who are really in Christ.
and let any unprejudiced person read what goes before and what follows your text,
and he must confess the word 'all' only signifies those what are in Christ;
and the latter part of the text plainly proves, what, i find, dear mr. wes will, by no means grant,
i mean the Final Perseverance of the children of God.
'He that spared not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, (ie. all Saints)
how shall He not with Him freely give us all things'.
grace, in particular, to enable us to persevere,
and every thing else necessary to carry us home to our Father's heavenly kingdom.

had any one a mind to prove the doctrine of Election, as well as of Final Perseverance,
he could hardly wish for a text more fit for his purpose, than that which you have chosen to disprove it.
one that does not know you,k  would suspect you yourself was sensible of this:
for after the first paragraph, i scarce know whether you mentioned it so much as once,
through your whole sermon.

but your discourse, in my opinion, is as little to the purpose as your text
\and instead of warping, does but more and more confirm me
in the belief of the doctrine of God's Eternal Election.

i shall not mention how illogically you have proceeded.
had you written clearly, you should first, honoured Sir, have proved your proposition,
'that God's graced is free to all'
and then by way of inference, exclaimed against what you call the Horrible Decree.
but you knew that people (because Arminianism, of late, has so much abounded among us)
were generally prejudiced against the doctrine of reprobation
and therefore thought if you kept up their dislike of that,
you could overthrow the doctrine of election entirely.
for, without doubt, the doctrine of election and reprobation must stand or fall together.

but passing by this, as also your equivocal  (allowing the possibility of several different meanings)
definition of the word 'grace',
and your false definition of the word 'free'
and that i may be as short as possible,
i frankly acknowledge, that i believe THE DOCTRINE OF REPROBATION, in this view,
the God intends to give saving grace, thought Jesus Christ, only to a certain number,
and that the rest of mankind, after the fall of adam,
being justly left of God to continue in sin,will at last suffer that eternal death, which is its proper wages.

this is the established doctrine of scripture
and acknowledged as such in the 17th article of the church of england,
as bishop burnet himself confesses; yet dear mr. wes absolutely denies it.

but the most important objections, which you have urged against this doctrine,
as reasons why you reject it,
being seriously considered and faithfully tried by the word of God,
will appear to be of no force at all.
let the matter be humbly and calmly reviewed, as to the following heads.

first, you say, 'if this be so (ie. if there be an election) then is all preaching vain:
it is needless to them that are elected;
for they, whether with preaching or without, will infallibly be saved.
therefore, the end of preaching to save souls is void, with regard to them.
and it is useless to them that are not elected;
for they cannot possibly be saved;
they, whether with preaching or without, will infallibly be damned.
the end of preaching is therefore void, with regard to them likewise.
so that in either case our preaching is vain and your hearing also vain'.
page 10th, paragraph the 9th.

o dear Sir, what kind of reasoning or rather sophistry is this!
hath not God, who hath appointed salvation for a certain number,
appointed also the preaching of the word, as a means to bring them to it?
does any one hold election in any other sense?
and if so, how is preaching needless to them that are elected;
when the gospel is designed by God Himself,
to be the power of God unto their eternal salvation?
and since we know not who are elect and who reprobate,
we are to preach promiscuously to all.
for the word may be useful, even to the non elect,
in restraining them from much wickedness and sin.
however, it is enough to excite to the utmost diligence in preaching and hearing,
when we consider that by these means, some, even as many as the Lord hath ordained to eternal life,
shall certainly be quickened and enabled to believe.
and who, that attends, especially with reverence and care,
can tell but he may be found of that happy number?

secondly, you day, 'that it, (the doctrine of election and reprobation)
directly tends to destroy that holiness, which is the end of all the ordinances of God'.
for (says the dear mistaken mr. wes)
'it wholly takes away those first motives to follow after it, so frequently proposed in scripture.
the hope of future reward and fear of punishment, the hope of heaven and the feat of hell, etc'.

i thought, that one who carries perfection to such an exalted pitch as dear mr. wes does,l
would know, that a true lover of the Lord Jesus Christ would strive to be holy for the sake of being holy
and work for Christ out of love and gratitude, without any regard to the rewards of heaven or fear of hell.
you remember, dear Sir, what Scougal says,
'love's a more powerful motive that does them move'.
but passing by this and granting that rewards and punishments (as they certainly are
may be motives from which a christian may be honestly stirred up to act for God,
how does the doctrine of election destroy these motives?
DO NOT THE ELECT KNOW THAT THE MORE GOOD WORKS THEY DO,
THE GREATER THEIR REWARD?
and is not that encouragement enough to set them upon
and cause them to persevere in working for Jesus Christ?
and how does the doctrine of election destroy holiness?
whoever preached any other election, than what the apostle preached, when he said,
'chosen through sanctification of the Spirit'?
nay, is not holiness made a mark of our election by all that preach it?
and how then can the doctrine of election destroy holiness?

the instance which you bring to illustrate your assertion, indeed, dear Sir, is quite impertinent.
for you say, 'if a sick man knows, that he must unavoidably die or unavoidably recover,
though he knows no which, it is not reasonable to take any physic
(a medicine that purges, cathartic, laxative) at all'.
dear Sir, what absurd reasoning is here?
were you ever sick in your life?
if so, did not the bare probability or possibility of your recovering,
though you knew it was unalterably fixed that you must live of die,
encourage you to take physic?
for how did you know, but that very physic might be the means God intended to recover you by?
just thus it is as to the doctrine of election.
i know that it is unalterably fixed, may one say, that i must be damned or saved;
but since i know not which, for a certainty,
why should i not strive, though at present in a state of nature,
since i know not but this striving may be the means God has intended to bless,
in order to bring me into a state of grace?
dear Sir, consider these things.
make an impartial application
and then judge what little reason you had to conclude the 10th paragraph, page 12, in these words:
'so directly does this doctrine tend to shut the very gate of holiness in general,
to hinder unholy men from ever approaching thereto or striving to enter in thereat.'

'as directly, you day, 'does the doctrine tend to destroy several particular branches of holiness,
such as meekness, love, etc.
i shall say little, dear Sir, in answer to this paragraph.
dear mr. wes perhaps has been disputing with some warm narrow spirited men that held election
and then infers, that their warmth and narrowness of spirit was owing to their principles?
but does not dear mr. wes know many dear children of god, who are predestinarians
and yet are meek, lowly , pitiful, courteous, tender hearted, kind, of a catholic spirit
and hope to see the most vile and profligate of men converted?
and why?
because they know god saved themselves by an act of His electing love
and they know not but He may have elected those who now seem top be the most abandoned.
but, dear Sir, we must not judge of the principles in general, nor of this of election in particular,
entirely from the practice of some that profess to hold them.
if so, i am sure much might be said against your own.
for i appeal to your own heart, whether or not you have not felt in yourself or observed in others,
a narrow spiritedness, and some disunion of soul respecting those that hold universal redemption.
if so, then according to your own rule, universal redemption is wrong,
because it destroys several branches of holiness, such as meekness, love, etc.
but not to insist upon this, i beg you would observe,
that your inference is entirely set aside by the force of the apostle's argument
and the language which he expressly uses, col. 3.12-3
'put on, therefore, (as the elect of God, holy and beloved)
bowels of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering, forbearing one another,
and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any,
even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye'.
here we see that the apostle exhorts them to put on bowels of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind,
meekness, long suffering etc., upon this consideration, namely, because they were elect of God.
and all who have experimentally felt this doctrine in their hearts,
feel that these graces are the genuine effects of their being elected of God.

but, perhaps dear mr. wes may be mistaken in this point, and call that passion,
which is only zeal for God's truths.
you know, dear Sir, the apostle exhorts us to
'contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints',
and therefore you must not condemn all that appear zealous for the doctrine of election,
as narrow spirited or persecutors, because they think it their duty to oppose you.
i am sure, i love you in the bowels of Jesus Christ
and think i could lay down my life for your sake;
but yet, dear Sir, i cannot help strenuously opposing your errors upon this important subject,
because i think you warmly, though not designedly, oppose the truth, as it is in Jesus.
may the Lord remove the scales of prejudice from off the eyes of your mind,
and give you a zeal according to true christian knowledge!

thirdly, says your sermon,
'this doctrine tends to destroy the comforts of religion, the happiness of christianity, etc.

but how does mr. wes know this, who never believed election?
i believe they who have experienced it, will agree with our 17th article,
'that the godly consideration of predestination, and election in Christ,
is full of sweet, pleasant, unspeakable comfort to godly persons,
and such as feel in themselves the working of the Spirit of Christ,
mortifying the works of the flesh, and their earthly members
and drawing their minds to high and heavenly things,
as well because it does greatly establish and confirm their faith of eternal salvation,
to be enjoyed through Christ, as because it doth fervently kindle their love towards God, etc.
this plainly shews that our godly reformers
did not think election destroyed holiness or the comforts of religion.
as for my own part, this doctrine is my daily support:
i should utterly sink under a dread of my impending trials,
was i not firmly persuaded that God has chosen me in Christ from before the foundation of the world
and that now being effectually called, He will suffer none to pluck me out of His Almighty hand.

you proceed thus:
'this is evident as to all those who believe themselves to be reprobate or only suspect or fear it;
all the great and precious promises are lost to them;
they afford them no ray of comfort'.

in answer to this, let me observe, that none living,
especially none who are desirous of salvation,
can know that they are not of the number of God's elect.
none, but the unconverted, can have any just reason, so much as to fear it.
and would dear mr. wes give comfort, or dare you apply the precious promises of the gospel,
being children's bread, to men in a natural state, while they continue so?
God forbid!
what if the doctrine of election and reprobation does put some upon doubting?
so does that of regeneration.
but, is not this doubting a good means to put them upon searching and striving;
and that striving , a good means to make their calling and their election sure?
this is one reason among many others, why i admire the doctrine of election
and am convinced that it should have a place in gospel ministrations
and should be insisted on with faithfulness and care.
it has a natural tendency to rouze the soul out of its carnal security.
and therefore many carnal men cry out against it.
whereas universal redemption is a notion sadly adapted to keep the soul in its lethargic sleepy condition
and therefore so many natural men admire and applaud it.

your 13th, 14th and 15the paragraphs come next to be considered.
'the witness of the Spirit, (you say) experience shews to be much obstructed by this doctrine'.
but, dear Sir, whose experience?
not your own; for in your journal, from your embarking for georgia, to your return to london,
you seem to acknowledge that you have it not and therefore you are no competent judge in this matter.
you must mean then the experience of others.
for you say in the same paragraph,
'even in those who have tasted of that good gift, who yet have soon lost it again,
(i suppose you mean lost the sense of it again)
and  fallen back into doubts and fears and darkness, even horrible darkness that might be felt, etc.
now, as to the darkness of desertion, was not this the case of Jesus Christ Himself,
after He had received an unmeasurable unction of the Holy Ghost?
was not his soul exceeding sorrowful, even unto death, in the garden?
and was He not surrounded with an horrible darkness,
even a darkness that might be felt,
when on the cross He cryed out,
'My God! My God! why hast Thou forsaken Me'?
and that all His followers are liable to the same, is it not evident from scripture?
for, says the apostle,
'He was tempted in all things like unto His brethren,
that He might be able to succour those that are tempted'.
and is not their liableness thereunto, consistent with that conformity to Him in suffering,
which His members are to bear?
why then should persons falling into darkness after they have received the witness of the Spirit,
be any argument against the doctrine of election?
'yet, you say, many, very many of those that hold it not, in all parts of the earth,
have enjoyed the uninterrupted witness of the Spirit,
the continual light of God's countenance,
from the moment wherein they first believed, for many months or years to this very day'.
but how does dear mr. wesley know this?
has he consulted the experience of many, very many in all parts of the earth?
or could he be sure of what he hath advanced without sufficient grounds,
would it follow that their being kept in this light is owing to their not believing the doctrine of election?
no, this, according to the sentiments of our church,
'greatly confirms and establishes a true christian's faith of eternal salvation through Christ',
and is an anchor of hope, both sure and steadfast, when he walks in darkness and sees no light;
as certainly he may, even after he hath received the witness of the Spirit,
whatever you or others may unadvisedly assert to the contrary.
then, to have respect to God's everlasting covenant and to throw himself upon
the free distinguishing love of that God, who changeth not,
will make him lift up the hands that hang down and strengthen the feeble knees.
but, without the belief of the doctrine of election and the immutability of the free love of God,
i cannot see how it is possible that any should have a comfortable assurance of eternal salvation.
what could it signify to a man, whose conscience is thoroughly awakened
and who is warned in good earnest to seek deliverance from the wrath to come,
though he should be assured that all his past sins be forgiven
and that he is now a child of God;
if notwithstanding this, he may hereafter become a child of the devil
and be cast into hell at last?
could such assurance yield any solid lasting comfort
to a person convinced of the corruption and treachery of his own heart
and of the malice, subtlety and power of satan?
no! that which alone deserves the name of a full assurance of faith,
is such an assurance, as emboldens the believer, under the sense of his interest in distinguishing love,
to give the challenge to all his adversaries, whether men or devils,
and that with regard to all their future, as well as present attempts to destroy;
saying with the apostle, 'who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect?
it is Christ that died: yea rather that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God,
who also maketh intercession for me.
who shall separate me from the love of Christ?
shall tribulation or distress or persecution or famine, or nakedness or peril or sword?
nay, in all these things i am more than conqueror, through Him that loved me.
for i am persuaded, that neither death nor live nor angels nor principalities nor powers nor things present
nor things to come nor height nor depth, nor any other creature,
shall be able to separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus my Lord'.

this, dear Sir, is the triumphant language of every soul that has attained a full assurance of faith.
and this assurance can only arise from a belief of God's electing everlasting love.
that many have an assurance they are in Christ today,
but take no thought for, or are not assured they shall be in Him tomorrow, nay to all eternity,
is rather their imperfection and unhappiness, than their privilege.
i pray God to bring all such to a sense of His eternal love,
that they may no longer build upon their own faithfulness, but on the unchangeableness of that God,
whose gifts and callings are without repentance.
for those whom God has once justified, He also will glorify.
i observed before, dear Sir, it is not always a safe rule to judge of the truth of principles
from people's practice.
and therefore, supposing that all who hold universal redemption in your way of explaining it,
after they received faith, enjoyed the continual uninterrupted sight of God's countenance,
it does not follow, that this is a fruit of their principle:
for that i am sure has a natural tendency to keep the soul in darkness for ever;
because the creature thereby is taught, that his being kept in a state of salvation,
is owing to his own free will.
and what a sandy foundation is that for a poor creature to build his hopes of perseverance upon?
every relapse into sin, every surprise by temptation,
must throw him 'into doubts and fears, into horrible darkness, even darkness that may be felt'.
hence it is, that the letters which have been lately sent me by those who hold universal redemption,
are dead and lifeless, dry and inconsistent, in comparison of those i receive from persons on the contrary side
those who settle in the universal scheme, though they might begin in the Spirit,
(whatever they may say to the contrary) are ending in the flesh
and building up a righteousness founded on their own free will:
whilst the others triumph in hopes of the glory of God
and build upon God's never failing promise and unchangeable love,
even when His sensible presence is withdrawn from them.
but i would not judge of the truth of election, by the experience of any particular persons:
if i did (o bear with me in this foolishness of boasting)
i think i myself might glory in election.
for these five or six years i have received the witness of God's Spirit;
since that, blessed be God, i have not doubted a quarter of an hour of the saving interest in Jesus Christ:
but with grief and humble shame i do acknowledge, i have fallen into sin often since that.
though i do not, dare not allow of any one transgression, yet hitherto i have not been
(nor do i expect that while i am in this present world i ever shall be)
able to live one day perfectly from all defects and sin.
and since the scriptures declare,
'that there is not a just man upon earth',
no, not among those of the highest attainments in grace,
'that doeth good and sinneth not';
we are sure that this will be the case of all the children of God.
the universal experience and acknowledgment of this among the godly in every age,
is abundantly sufficient to confute THE ERROR of those who hold in an absolute sense,
THAT AFTER A MAN IS BORN AGAIN HE CANNOT COMMIT SIN;
especially, since the Holy Ghost condemns the persons who say they have no sin,
as deceiving themselves, as being destitute of the truth and making God a liar, I john 1..8,10.
i have been also in heaviness through manifold temptations, and expect to be often so before i die.
thus were the apostles and primitive christians themselves.
thus was luther, that man of God, who, as far as i can find, did not peremptorily, at least, hold election
and the great john arndt was in the utmost perplexity but a quarter of an hour before he died
and yet he was no predestinarian.
and if i must speak freely, i believe your fighting so strenuously against the doctrine of election
and pleading so vehemently for a sinless perfection, are among the reasons or culpable causes,
why you are kept out of the liberties of the gospel
and from that full assurance of faith which they enjoy,,
who have experimentally tasted and daily feed upon God's electing, everlasting love.

but perhaps you may say, that luther and arndt were no christians, at least very weak ones.
i know you think meanly of abraham, though he was eminently called the friend of god:
and i believe, also of david, the man after God's own heart.
no wonder, therefore, that in a letter you sent me not long since,
you should tell me, 'that no baptist or presbyterian writer whom you have read,
knew any thing of the liberties of Christ'.
what!
neither bunyan, henry, flavel, halyburton, nor any of the new england and scots divines.
see, dear Sir, what narrow spiritedness and want of charity arise from your principles
and then do not cry out against election any more on account of its being 'destructive of meekness and love'.

fourthly, i shall now proceed to another head.
says the dear mr. wes, 'how uncomfortable a thought is this,
that thousands and millions of men, without any preceding offence or fault of theirs,
were unchangeably doomed to everlasting burnings?'

but who ever asserted, that thousands and millions of men,
which out any preceding offence or fault of theirs, were unchangeably doomed to everlasting burnings?
do not they who believe God's dooming men to everlasting burnings, also believe,
that God looked upon them as men fallen in adam?
and that the decree which ordained the punishment, first regarded the crime by which it was deserved?
how then are they doomed without any preceding fault?
surely mr. wes will own GOD'S JUSTICE IN IMPUTING ADAM'S SIN TO HIS POSTERITY;
\and also, that after adam fell and his posterity in him,
God might justly have passed them ALL by,
without sending His own Son to be a saviour for any one.
unless you heartily agree to both these points, you do not believe original sin aright.
if you do won them then you must acknowledge the doctrine of election and reprobation
to be highly just and reasonable.
for if God might justly impute adam's sin to all
and afterwards have passed by all,
then he might justly pass by SOME.
turn on the right hand or on the left, you are reduced to an inextricable dilemma.
and,if you would be consistent, you must either give up the doctrine of imputation or adam's sin
or receive the amiable doctrine of election, with a holy and righteous reprobation as its consequent.
for whether you can believe it or no, the word of God abides faithful:
'THE ELECTION HAS OBTAINED IT AND THE REST WERE BLINDED'.

your 17th paragraph, page 16, i pass over.
what has been said on paragraph the 9th and 10th, with a little alteration will answer it.
i shall only say, it is the doctrine of election that mostly presses me to abound in good works.
i am made willing to suffer all things for the elect's sake.
this makes me to preach with comfort, because i know salvation does not depend on man's free will,
but the Lord makes willing in the day of His power,
and can make use of me to bring some of His elect home, when and where He pleases, but,

fifthly, you say, 'this doctrine has a direct manifest tendency to overthrow the whole christian religion.
for, say you,
'supposing that eternal unchangeable decree, one part of mankind must be saved,
though the christian revelation were not in being'.

but, dear Sir, how does that follow?
since it is only by the christian revelation that we are acquainted with God's design
of saving His church by the death of His Son.
yea, it is settled in the everlasting covenant, that this salvation shall be applied to the elect
through the knowledge and faith of him.
as the prophet says, isaiah 53.11, 'by His knowledge shall My righteous servant justify many'.
how then has the doctrine of election a direct tendency to overthrow the whole christian revelation?
who ever thought, that God's declaration to noah,
that seed time and harvest should never cease,
could afford an argument for the neglect of plowing or sowing?
or that the unchangeable purpose of God, that harvest should not fail,
rendered the heat of the sun or the influence of the heavenly bodies unnecessary to produce it?
no more does God's absolute purpose of saving His chosen,
preclude the necessity of the gospel revelation,
or the use of any of the means through which He has determined the decree shall take effect.
now will the right understanding or the reverent belief of
God's decree,
ever allow or suffer a christian in any case
to separate the means from the end
or the end from the means.
and since we are taught by the revelation itself, that this was intended and given by God
as a means of bringing home His elect,
we therefore receive it with joy,
prize it highly,
use it in faith
and endeavour to spread it through all the world,
in the full assurance, that wherever God sends it, sooner or later,
it shall be savingly useful to all the elect within its call.
how then, in holding this doctrine, do we join with modern unbelievers,
in making the christian revelation unnecessary?
no, dear Sir, you mistake.
infidels of all kinds are on your side of the question. 
deists, arians, socinians, arraign God's sovereignty and stand up for universal redemption.
i pray God, that dear mr. wes's sermon, as it has grieved the hearts of many of God's children,
may not also strengthen the hands of many of his most avowed enemies!
here i could almost lie down and weep.
'O tell it not in gath! publish it not in the streets of ashkelon,
lest the daughters of the uncircumcised rejoice, lest the sons of unbelief should triumph!'

further, you say, 'this doctrine makes revelation contradict itself'.
for instance, say you, 'the assertors of this doctrine interpret that text of scripture,
jacob have I loved, but esau have I hated, as implying that God,
in a literal sense, hated esau and all the reprobates from eternity!'
and, when considered as fallen in adam, were they not objects of His hatred?
and might not God, of His own good pleasure, love or shew mercy to jacob and the elect
and yet at the same time do the reprobate no wrong?
but you say, 'God is love'.
and CANNOT GOD BE LOVE, UNLESS HE SHEWS THE SAME MERCY TO ALL?

again, says dear mr. wes, 'they infer from that text, i will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,
that God is merciful only to some men, viz. the elect;
and that He has mercy for those only, flatly contrary to which is the whole tenor of the scripture,
as is that express declaration in particular,
'the lord is loving to every man and his mercy is over all His works'.
and so it is, but not His saving mercy.




GOD IS LOVING TO EVERY MAN: He sends His rain upon the evil and upon the good.
but you say, 'God is no respecter of persons'.
No!
for every one, whether jew or gentile, that believeth on Jesus AND WORKETH RIGHTEOUSNESS,
is accepted of Him:
'but he that believedth not shall be damned'.
for God is no respecter of persons, upon the account of any outward condition or circumstance in life whatever;
nor does the doctrine of election in the least suppose Him to be so.
but as the sovereign Lord of all, who is debtor to none,
he has a right to do what He will with His own and dispense His favours to what objects He sees fit,
merely at His pleasure.
and his supreme right herein, is clearly and strongly asserted in those passages of scripture,
where He says,
'I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY
AND COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION, romans 9.15; exodus 23.19.

further, you represent us as inferring from the text,
'the children not being yet born, neither having done good or evil,
that the purpose of God, according to election, might stand:
not of works, but of Him that calleth.
it was said unto her (unto rebecca), the elder shall serve the younger';
that our predestination to life no ways depends on the foreknowledge of God.
but who infers this, dear Sir?
for if foreknowledge signifies approbation, as it does in several parts of scripture,
then we confess that predestination and election do depend on God's foreknowledge.
but if by God's foreknowledge,
you understand God's fore seeing some good works done by His creatures
as the foundation or reason of chusing them and therefore electing them,
then we say, that in this sense, predestination does not any way depend on God's fore knowledge.
but i referred you, at the beginning of this letter, to dr. edwards' Veritas Redux,
which i recommended to you also in a late letter, with elisha coles on God's Sovereignty.
be pleased to read these and also the excellent sermons of mr. cooper, of boston in new england,
which i also sent you
and i doubt not but you will see all your objections answered.
though i would observe, that after all our reading on both sides the question,
we shall never in this life be able to search out God's decrees to perfection.
no, we must humbly adore what the wise cannot comprehend,
and with the great apostle at the end of our enquiries cry out,
'O the depth, etc' or with our Lord, when he was admiring God's sovereignty,
'even so Father, for so it seemeth good in Thy sight'.

but here's the distinction.
God taketh no pleasure in the death of sinners,
so as to delight simply in their death;
but He delights to magnify His justice, by inflicting the punishment which their iniquities have deserved.
as a righteous judge who takes no pleasure in condemning a criminal,
may yet justly command him to be executed, that law and justice may be satisfied,
even though it be in his power to procure him a reprieve.

i would hint farther, that you unjustly charge the doctrine of reprobation with blasphemy,
whereas THE DOCTRINE OF UNIVERSAL REDEMPTION, as you set it forth,
IS REALLY THE HIGHEST REPROACH UPON THE DIGNITY OF THE SON OF GOD,
AND THE MERIT OF HIS BLOOD.
consider whether it be not rather blasphemy to say as you do,
'Christ not only died for those that are saved, but also for those who perish'.
the text you have misapplied to gloss over this ,
see explained by... edwards, henry; and i purposely omit answering your texts myself,
that you may be brought to read such treatises, which, under God, would shew you your error.
you cannot make good the assertion, 'that Christ died for them that perish',
without holding (as peter boehler, one of the moravian brethren,
in order to make out universal redemption, lately frankly confessed in a letter)
'that all the damned souls would hereafter be brought out of hell'.
i cannot think mr. wesley is thus minded.
and yet unless you hold this it can be proved that universal redemption,
taken in a literal sense,
falls entirely to the ground.
for HOW CAN ALL BE UNIVERSALLY REDEEMED,
IF ALL ARE NOT FINALLY SAVED?

dear Sir, for Jesus Christ's sake, consider how you dishonour God by denying election.
you plainly make salvation depend not on God's FREE GRACE, but on man's FREE WILL;
and if thus, it is more than probable, Jesus
Christ would not have had the satisfaction of seeing the fruit of his death in the eternal salvation of one soul.
our preaching would then be vain and all invitations for people to believe in Him,
would also be in vain.

but, BLESSED BE GOD, OUR LORD KNEW FOR WHOM HE DIED.
there was an eternal compact between the Father and the Son.
a certain number was then given Him,
as the purchase and reward of his obedience and death.
for these he prayed, john 17 and not for the world.
for these and these only, He is now interceding
and with their salvation He will be fully satisfied.

i purposely omit making any further particular remarks on the several last pages of your sermon.
indeed had not your name, dear sir, been prefixed to the sermon,
i could not have been so uncharitable as to think you were the author of such sophistry.
you beg the question, in saying, 'that God has declared,
(notwithstanding you own, i suppose, some will be damned)
that He will save all', ie. every individual person.
you take it for granted (for solid proof you have none)
that God is unjust, if He passes by any,
and then you exclaim against the horrible decree:
and yet, as i before hinted, in holding the doctrine of original sin,
you profess to believe that He might justly have passed by all.

ear, dear Sir, o be not offended!
for Christ's sake be not rash!
give yourself to reading.
study the covenant of grace.
down with your carnal reasoning.
be a little child
and then, instead of pawning your salvation,
as you have done in a late hymn book,
if the doctrine of universal redemption be not true;
instead of talking of sinless perfection, as you have done in the preface to that hymn book
and making man's salvation to deepen of his own free will, as you have in this sermon;
you will compose an hymn in praise of sovereign distinguishing love.
you will caution believers against striving to work a perfection out of their own hearts
and print another sermon the reverse of this,
and entitle it free grace INDEED.
free, not because  free to all;
but free, because God may withhold or give it to whom and when He pleases.

till you do this, i must doubt whether or not you know yourself.
in the mean while, i cannot but blame you for censuring the clergy of our church for not keeping their articles,
when you yourself by your principles, positively deny the 9th, 10th and 17th.
dear Sir, these things ought not so to be.
 God knows my heart,k as i told you before, so i declare again,
nothing but a single regard to the honour of Christ has forced this letter from me.
i love and honour you for His sake
\and when i come to judgment, will thank  you before men and angels,
for what you have, under God, done for my soul.

there, i am persuaded, i shall see dear mr. wes convinced of election and everlasting love.
and it often fills me with pleasure, to think how i shall behold you casting your crown down
at the feet of the lamb
and as it were filled with a holy blushing for opposing the divine sovereignty in the manner you have done.

but i hope the lord will shew you this before you go hence.
o how do i long for that day!
if the Lord should be pleased to make use of this letter for that purpose,
it would abundantly rejoice the heart of , dear and honoured Sir,

yours affectionate, though unworthy brother and
                                                    servant in Christ,
                                                    george whitefield











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